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2012 annual meeting notes

by lostinthought in

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sorry for the wait guys.... .

part one.

moorse had the opening comments talked about historic annual meetings.. .

As many of us have discussed over the past few years, they have been planning this and now it looks like New Light will be officially seen during the 2013 Service Year; as discussed in a post from 2009: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/173385/1/Who-really-is-the-slave-The-Governing-Body

Paragraph three from the February 15, 2009 Watchtower in the article They "Keep Following The Lamb":

"Jesus has appointed the faithful and discreet slave "over his domestics ," that is, the individual members of the slave class..."

The WT has been redefining certain terms (like the "Slave" or "Generation"), which then causes a general confusion among members, and lastly the GB comes to the rescue with clarification. Usually over a period of months...or in this case years.

The GB must be deparate to concentrate their power and control and rid themselves of those pesky growing numbers of annointed who think they also have a direct line to God.

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Who is Charles Sunutko...more

by Farkel in

since there is renewed interest in the 1975 fiasco and one of it's main promoters, i discovered something interesting.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/103129/1/who-is-charles-sunutko.

in the above thread blondie posted an except from an awake!

magazine article on old chuck s. in it, he stated he was born one year after his parents married in 1935, viz.

Ultimate Reality

I met him in 1998 and he was still alive, living in Southern California.

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The Great Tribulation - For Whom, & By Whom?

by The Searcher in

there is much speculation about many aspects of the great tribulation.

since it is in god's word the bible that we are informed of this event, then we should allow him to give us any relevant information regarding that event, if that is his wish.. the scripture tells us, "for the sovereign lord jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.

" (amos 3:7).

Ultimate Reality

You're also conflating scriptures. What does Jeremiah 25 have to do with Revelation?

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Scholastic Dishonesty - June 2012 Awake - Jewish Exile Timeline

by Ultimate Reality in

the june 2012 awake has another article on the exile of the jews by the babylonians.

once again the wt quotes dishonestly.. .

from page 14:.

Ultimate Reality

@diamondiiz -- Thanks for posting that link. I guess they just keep recycling the same non-sense.

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Scholastic Dishonesty - June 2012 Awake - Jewish Exile Timeline

by Ultimate Reality in

the june 2012 awake has another article on the exile of the jews by the babylonians.

once again the wt quotes dishonestly.. .

from page 14:.

Ultimate Reality

The June 2012 Awake has another article on the exile of the Jews by the Babylonians. Once again the WT quotes dishonestly.

From Page 14:

"Did the Israelites remain captive in Babylon for 70 years as the Bible foretold? Note the comments of a leading Israeli archaeologist, Ephraim Stern. “From 604 B.C.E. to 538 B.C.E.—there is a complete gap in evidence suggesting occupation. In all that time, not a single town destroyed by the Babylonians was resettled.” The so-called gap in which there was no occupation or resettling of conquered territory corresponds closely to Israel’s exile in Babylon from from 607 to 537 B.C.E.—2 Chronicles 36:20, 21." - Awake, June 2012, p. 14

What the article fails to mention is that under the WT interpretation of the period's dating, all 'secular' dates get pushed back by 20 years. 604 BCE becomes 624 BCE. They are misuing the quote by Stern to bolster their chronological arguments by relying on the ignorance of the reader reagarding both that period of history and the WT's method of calculating the dates -- which they do not disclose.

Futher, here is an excerpt from the opening of Stern's article:

"In 586 B.C.E., they [Babylon] burnt Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple, bringing an end to the southern Kingdom of Judah and 400 years of Davidic rule." - The Babylonian Gap, Ephraim Stern, Biblical Archaeology Review; Nov/Dec 2000

Obviously, Stern is yet another expert the WT is using who does not agree that the Termple was destroyed in 607 BCE. Further, the WT cannot honestly use secular dates from that period to 'prove' it's own conflicted interpretation.

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Opinion-Is This Clear Evidence that Jehovah's Holy Spirit is with The Watchtower?

by DavinciCodeBreaker in

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friends

i was having a discussion with an aquaintance about if there was evidence that the watchtower has jehovah's holy spirit.

he said, "given the fact that no other organization has won more supreme court cases than jehovah's witnesses to protect their religious freedom in north america and abroad is unrefutable evidence of jehovah's blessing by means of his holy spirit".. your thoughts?.

Ultimate Reality

Correlation does not mean causation. You're friend displays the typical lazy thinking of a Witness. The WT says it has God's backing (and Spirit) because is was appointed in 1918. Have him prove that...scripturally.

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Florida News: "Parents Almost Let Child Die, Fearing Blood Transfusion Would Change His Personality"

by AndersonsInfo in

http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2011/06/blood_death_baby.php.

parents almost let child die, fearing blood transfusion would change his personalityby victoria bekiempis.

published: thu., jun.

Ultimate Reality

I've heard JW's make statements like that as well, very recently. It's part of the problem that results from the Society never clearly identifying their doctrinal changes. Anyone with a WT CD library can still find this kind of nonsense from the 1970s and still think it is true. After all, the faithful slave is always right.

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No mention in KMs of any increase in pubs. in U.S. for half of service year

by Gayle in

i notice, on another ex-jw site, for their "field service highlights" for the u.s. (not counting turks island) , it doesn't mention any increase in 'publishers' for half of the service year, sept. '10- february '11 (6 mos).

makes me assume there hasn't been any or much, otherwise they would have tooted their horn about it.

however, there has been quite an increase in pios.

Ultimate Reality

They'll be turning in a mass of reports (from all the slackers) in August and claim a huge increase - in 2009 they claimed almost 50,000 new publishers in August.

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New understanding of 144.000

by Newborn in

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hi ya'll !.

haven't been posting in a loooong time and perhaps this has already been discussed but i've heard that they're coming with a new understanding of the 144.000. that it should be taken symbolically and not literally!?.

i guess they have to change it since so many more apparently belongs to the anointed ones..... well i hope this will make a few of them think and leave.. thx.

Ultimate Reality

What they will do is stop publishing the number of partakers at the memorial. A simple and effective way to handle the problem. They will also continue to use the term 'Genuine Anointed' which suggests a distinction without being too direct about it -- the GB loves to be passive-aggressive.

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Waking Up From a 34 Year Slumber.

by alg1052 in

july 11, 2011 will be 34 years since i was baptised as one of jw's.

the sleeping pill i took was in the form of them providing the information that made the bible come alive with the truth and insisting that they go by the bible not adding or taking away from it.

i had negative experiences from local brothers from time to time, however i excused them as part of being imperfect.

Ultimate Reality

Alg, one thing about Matthew 24:14, this scripture identifies a work that would be done during a particular period of time - not a particular religious group. Additionally, Matthew had a 1st century fulfillment, yet, the Society still operates on a Parallel Dispensations interpretive model of the bible, claiming that many parts of the bible have a secondary, larger fulfillment. However, is there any evidence according to Jesus' words that a second fulfillment would take place?